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Family Guy - The Movie (a.k.a. Stewie Griffin - The Untold Story)
88 Minutes, 731076608 bytes, US Release Date: September 27, 2005
Sunday, August 7, 2005, 9:00 pm, Pirate Cinema Berlin
Ziegelstrasse 20, S Oranienburger Strasse, U Oranienburger Tor
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"Family Guy" ist eine US-amerikanische Zeichentrickserie, die - selbst ziemlich
erfolgreich - das Erfolgsmodell der Simpsons kopiert: sowohl das Setting ("In a
wacky Rhode Island town, a dysfunctional family strive to cope with everyday
life as they are thrown from one crazy scenario to another." - IMDb.com) als
auch einen ziemlich speziellen Humor ("In one episode, Stewie attempts go
through an airport metal detector, and he tries to create a diversion to avoid
the screener from looking at the monitor and seeing a weapon in his bag. To
create the diversion he sings 'On The Good Ship Lollypop' to get their
attention. Once his bag is through and he starts to walk away, he makes the
comment that he hopes Osama Bin Laden doesn't know any show tunes. Then we see
Osama Bin Laden singing and dancing for the guards as a distraction. This scene
has since been removed from repeats." - IMDb.com), der vor allem durch die
enorme Menge völlig beiläufiger und zugleich absolut präziser Verweise auf
Phänomene des popkulturellen und politischen Tagesgeschäfts besticht, deren
blosser Nachvollzug ganze kulturwissenschaftliche Fakultäten beschäftigen
könnte. Und wer Google nach Family Guy + Simpsons befragt, lernt zudem, dass
im Juli sogar eine offizielle Fehde zwischen den beiden Serien ausgebrochen ist.
"Family Guy" nicht zu kennen ist, wenn man zumindest mit den Simpsons halbwegs
vertraut ist, keine allzu dramatische Bildungslücke (von Europa aus betrachtet
wirkt die Serie ohnehin flacher, ordinärer und irgendwie "amerikanischer"), und
"Family Guy - The Movie" einem Publikum, das die Simpsons schon gesehen hat
(www.piratecinema.org/screenings/20050327), vorzuenthalten, wäre im Grunde auch
kein besonders schweres Verbrechen - auch wenn die Rahmenhandlung ziemlich gut
ins Pirate Cinema passt: Bei "The Movie" handelt es sich nämlich genaugenommen
nicht um den Film, sondern um eine Fernsehsendung über die Kino-Premiere des
Films (der allerdings gar nicht im Kino, sondern nur auf DVD erscheinen soll),
deren Hauptteil, der Film nämlich, von einem Fernsehteam mit versteckter Kamera
und inklusive Werbung von der Leinwand abgefilmt wird, und die, logischerweise,
mit der Live-Übertragung der After Show Party endet: "Oh, it sucked!" - "Who do
I see about getting the last two hours of my life back?" - "If I had wanted to
hear 81 minutes of gay bashing, I would have gone to my father's house..."
Tatsächlich zeigen wir den Film aber vor allem, weil sich auf diese Weise die
Gelegenheit bietet, im Anhang unserer Ankündigung (also ein paar Zeilen weiter
unten) eine Debatte zu dokumentieren, die in der vergangenen Woche in einem
Diskussions-Forum der Internet Movie Database stattgefunden hat und in der das
Downloaden des Films (der zwar der erst am 27. September veröffentlicht werden
soll, in den einschlägigen Filesharing-Netzwerken aber längst so weit verbreitet
ist, dass er sich schneller runterladen als anschauen lässt) besprochen wurde.
Was dort nämlich in gerade mal 48 Stunden von ein paar Kindern und Arbeitslosen
(die IMDb-Foren muss man sich als einen ziemlich entlegenen, kargen Winkel des
Internet, als das genaue Gegenteil eines Cineasten-Salons vorstellen) verhandelt
wurde, ist derart interessant, dass man sich fragt, wie das Gerücht von den
angeblichen Verblödungseffekten von Filesharing-Software und Internet-Foren
jemals hat aufkommen können, oder wann man zuletzt in den Gängen eines Kinos
oder zwischen den Regalen einer Videothek ein auch nur annähernd so kluges,
fachkundiges und unterhaltsames Gespräch belauscht hat. Besonders lustig ist,
dass diese Debatte, die sich an der Frage entzündet hatte, ob es was bringt,
runtergeladene Filme wieder zu löschen, mittlerweile selbst von der IMDb-Website
gelöscht wurde. Aber das Gute am Internet ist ja, dass dort nie etwas wegkommt.
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Board: Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story! (2005)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385690/board/nest/23358400
Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Fri Jul 29 2005 01:23:05)
If you have downloaded this movie illegaly than please delete it
immediately.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
tommyd052802 (Fri Jul 29 2005 01:48:22)
Listen, I'm not gonna be a jerk here so I'm gonna be as nice as possible.
There is no way anyone is going to jail for downloading this movie. Even if
Fox tracked down every bootleg site and P2P Network that had it available,
they are not going to track every IP Address and sue everyone. Let's say
they do, in some crazy backwards world, even if we all delete the files...
the IP mark remains. I have a suggestion if this thread scares you. Delete
the movie off your hard drive and put it on a disc. Just remember to buy it
when it comes out on DVD.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Fri Jul 29 2005 01:56:39)
You don't know Fox too well. Maybe perhaps this leaked out on purpose to
fodder Fox's draconian war against copyright infringment and that The Family
Guy was brought back to television only because of its high DVD sales, which
will be incredibly low in september, something the Fox network is likely to
use as jet fuel for what is a soon coming legislation for P2P blockers, and
maybe I do or don't work for fox and know this.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
krazed (Fri Jul 29 2005 02:29:30)
*GASP* So mysterious! Does he work for Fox or doesn't he?! OMG! I CAN'T TAKE
THE SUSPENSE!
Pfft, the person who replied is right. It's not worth it for Fox to try and
charge every single person who downloads this.
But like I care anyway, a friend downloaded it and sent it to me. :)
---
"Break me off a switch, son. There's about to be a whoopin!" - Faith
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Fri Jul 29 2005 02:55:03)
You people have absolutely no idea what is going on in congress right now,
do you?
If the MPAA and RIAA get its way Operating Systems such as Windows and OSx
(excluding Linux so long as the already in danger GNU remains legal and
intact) will be forced to use P2P blockers. Imagine turning your computer on
and getting a Messenger announcement that if you don't DL the new
anti-piracy service pack your copy of windows will remotely disable, or
remotely disable immediately if you have the Messenger system disabled,
leaving you with a blue screen and a number to call. there is even a way to
do this with pirated versions of windows obtained through corporations that
don't require registration/activation.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
PeteyParker (Fri Jul 29 2005 07:56:30)
You act like they are going to get their way. There is no way legislation
like that will ever pass. If anything there would be a huge backlash against
the MPAA and RIAA from something like this. Do you honestly think that
people would put up with something like you're suggesting? Privacy advocates
are already challenging this.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Jack_Mehoffer (Fri Jul 29 2005 13:38:59)
Even if this was true, I'm sure the different communities of programmers
would devise either a way to reverse the remote disable software or just
come up with a new operating system.
If you think about it, with electronics and software, they can make it as
difficult as possible to get around copy protection measures, but it will
not be 100%. There is always a weak spot to any security system (be it
physical, mechanical, electonic, or even the human factor).
This battle will not be won in our life time or even this websites'
lifetime.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
dead-killa (Fri Jul 29 2005 14:27:36)
if it ever even came down 2 that ppl would make a work around to that
anyways
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
trogdor33 (Sat Jul 30 2005 10:25:38)
Well, never underestimate the ability of legislators to approve jackass laws
that undermine our country. Look at how they just approved Nafta's crumby
successor Cafta. As a programmer myself I know as well as anyone that
anything that can be built can be unbuilt and any software protection that
can be created can be worked around. I guarantee that as soon as such a
worthless law comes out, cracking teams everywhere will be rushing to be the
first ones to circumvent it.
As far as the law is concerned. Bit torrent is about the safest way to
download copyright protected files. This is because you can't get in trouble
for having the pirated copy on your computer, you can't get in trouble for
downloading it, but YOU CAN get in trouble for distributing it. So as long
as you close your download before you have uploaded a complete copy, they
can't get you.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
darth_nax (Sat Jul 30 2005 21:47:19) UPDATED Sat Jul 30 2005 23:53:00
> As far as the law is concerned. Bit torrent is about the safest way to
> download copyright protected files. This is because you can't get in
> trouble for having the pirated copy on your computer, you can't get in
> trouble for downloading it, but YOU CAN get in trouble for distributing
> it. So as long as you close your download before you have uploaded a
> complete copy, they can't get you.
Hehe...Wrong in so many ways. Nothing anywhere says you have to upload a
full file. Kinda like being a little preggers. Think about it, all those
people who shared on Kazaa and the rest jointly uploaded parts of the exact
same file to the exact same people, they still got busted.
Besides, bittorrent is slow and designed to be tracked.
If you want fast and secure downloads get GrabIt and start using binary
newsgroups. Download as fast as your ISP allows, more content in every
category than you could ever use (30 terabytes at any given moment) and all
the new stuff faster than bittorrent (seeing as how it doesn't take two days
to d/l a dvd with newsgroups).
Oh, and no tracking. The only people who know are your isp's. The **AA's
have to know that you're d/l it before they can subpeona your isp. With this
there's no way to get that information. All the information stays with the
isp and they can't release it without a subpeona. The **AA's can get a
subpeona since they can't see your downloading at all.
Just never, ever upload. Ever.
Got it. Good. Now you have the power. Use it.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Xanthious (Sat Jul 30 2005 13:57:11)
P2P Blockers. . . ummm ok. Great. P2P is slow and unreliable anyway. A good
portion of piracy goes on through newsgroups and that is in no way what so
ever P2P. You simply pay a monthly fee or get accesss from your ISP if its
included, access a server and download til your hearts content whatever is
on the server (Which literally is millions of files). So while stopping P2P
may happen, which is unlikely at best, it wont stop piracy. Pirates will
always find a way. Its been going on for decades and it wont stop anytime
soon. Its too widespread sadly and the music and movie industry cant stop it
as hard as they might try. The movie and music industry is already making
strides to meet people in the middle becaue they know that stopping it isnt
an option. I for one dont really get into it all that much as I prefer to
have boxes and labels and stuff that comes from a store and I can afford to
go out and get it so its no big deal to me. I know it exists though and Im
not blind to the fact. As I said before its just too widespread to stop and
pirates are too determined not to pay for what they want. To give you an
idea of just how widespread it has become my minister, yes kids I said my
minister, recently let me borrow a copy of a movie that he made himself at
home.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
darth_nax (Sat Jul 30 2005 21:49:54)
> my minister, yes kids I said my minister, recently let me borrow a copy of
> a movie that he made himself at home.
E-mail me, we can get alot from that sort of home made movie if it has a
real live minister in it.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
imdb-8471 (Fri Jul 29 2005 07:57:40)
Maybe you're an idiot and don't realize that copyright infringement of the
variety committed when downloading a movie is a civil offense, which can
only be remedied by bringing an action in civil court (a lawsuit). No one
will be "charged" with anything unless they are on a street corner selling
dvd's. And if fox wanted to sue people, deleting the movie wouldn't save
them. I hope for anyone who downloaded the leak's sake you are on fox's
legal team, then they'll be safe.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
dead-killa (Fri Jul 29 2005 14:31:03)
lol if fox ever came 2 my door id run 2 my computer and fry my hard drive it
many not prevent my eventually money loss but it will probably prevent sum
of it hopefully
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Jack_Mehoffer (Fri Jul 29 2005 14:39:26)
Deleting it wouldn't matter if they have documented you downloading it (IP
Address, MAC Address of your network card, times logged onto your internet
provider). Then it would be on you to prove otherwise which would be very
difficult.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Baby_Gorillia (Fri Jul 29 2005 14:48:11)
And a lot of people don't even know how to propperly delete something.
When you delete something, it just takes it off of the indexing system, it
remains on the harddrive until it is completely overwritten.
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Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
asssack2 (Fri Jul 29 2005 19:32:21) UPDATED Fri Jul 29 2005 22:58:06
lmao.. stop scaring the people.. ohhh im so scared fox is going after
downloaders.. LMAO!
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
peoplesyak (Sat Jul 30 2005 02:13:45)
You have the greatest name ever.
"Right you are, Mr. Mehoffer." - Bill O'Reilly
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
pr-master-23 (Sat Jul 30 2005 09:43:59)
100% of the music get into the P2P Network
95% of the pc games get into the P2P Network
100% of the movies get into the P2P Network
you think FOX will charge everybody for a stupid
animated movie, you are stupid man, lol
if they make the stupid windows with pirate blockers,
eventualy someone will pass that protection :D
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
g00dbyed0g (Sat Jul 30 2005 13:34:30)
Check out Ebay! Jerks are making copies and selling them there righht now.
If the Great and Scary Fox doesn't stop even that .... you really think they
will pinpoint someone who d/l'ed it in an hour? puhleeeeeze
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
herbalizah (Sat Jul 30 2005 13:51:53)
good one, fox must have a really laaaaarge budget to sue everyone :D
and piracyblockers in windows? come on! the day they launch that, it will be
cracked, patched, hacked within 1 hour....
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 15:11:21)
If ISP's were forced to verify the authenticity of the Windows installation
blocking P2P would be easy and there would be no way to "hack" or "crack"
it.
This is a capatlist country, the MPAA and RIAA own this government, sharing
chunks of it with every other multi-million dollor conglomerate. Like it or
not America is the worlds only super power as well, How we practice law
influences every developed nation in the world.
All I hear is blahblahblah, does anybody that is educated on this subject
want to discuss it? or should I just start ignoring this ignorant thread?
"Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
G.W.B.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Dstreelm (Sat Jul 30 2005 15:26:28)
exactly, fox will not be charging people for downloading it because it is a
wast of time.
And people are freaking out about this downloading thing. there is a simple
way to get around trouble for downloading anything. Lets take a cd for
example. If i were to download an album and the RIAA went after me, I'd do
one thing...go to the store and buy it. once you've paid money for a cd, it
is legal to have it ripped onto your computer. it doesnt matter where you
got it from. so i could buy the real copy for every album on my computer and
leave them in the damn wrapper and theres not a dmn thing anyone can do.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
santas77 (Sat Jul 30 2005 15:32:26)
how do you figure, name one piece of software our there that someone hasn't
hacked. Even the mighty Steam can be hacked and people play Half life 2 for
free even tho their new sytsem was supposed to shut that down. And that guy
who was talking about P2P was right. P2P sucks now, only idiots use it.
Bittorrent and newsgroups are how people get files and i say good luck
trying to stop them. Go to thepiratebay.org, they have a legal section full
of letters and emails from companies legally threatening them, and then they
have a response section where they ridicule them and make fun of them
becuase they are in Sweden and there is nothing they can do. There are tons
of letters and nothing has been done yet. You are naive to think, especially
in this country, that the government is going to be able to stop something
underground like this, especially when it deals with software and its not
the government officials or CEO's that know how to code and hack. They are
too ignorant to be able to stop something like this. good luck to them tho
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 15:57:58)
I got halfway through your post before I rolled my eyes, BT is P2p.
Dude who's name starts with "D" you're wrong in terms of legality, that
would be like walking into a store, taking something and then coming back
later to pay for it.
santas again - stop doing everything with your connection, infact turn your
computer off and look at your cable/DSL modem. see how its still blinking?
its still communicating with the DNS, ISP's have experimented with placing
programs in their systems to know everything about your computer and can
already tell if you use a corporate version of windows (the only "cracked"
windows availible) and could shut you down if they wanted too already, They
wont because it would be bad for bussiness, if the law forced them to they
would have to. Right now technical information (file and computer
specifications mostly) are not considered private works, therefor privacy is
not a legal issue regarding it.
If it were to happen there would be a countless number of ways involving
numerous methods to enforce this on both the operating systems side and the
ISP's side. So experts could comb out anything that could put the system in
danger of being so called "cracked". Because they have the initiative they
would always be one step ahead of the "hey i just learned python!" kids, and
the system would most likely be remotely interactive with files that the
operating system would not run without making the only "crack" suggestion I
could ever hear in my life that doesen't make me laugh involve placing a
counter program on the MS server.... goodluck with that.
"Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
G.W.B.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
sarahjones1982 (Sat Jul 30 2005 20:55:09)
I'm borrowing someone's account to reply. While a lot of what you're saying
is being considered and being discussed in various legal instances, most of
the legislation regarding peer to peer networking (for example the INDUCE
act which is presently dead) hasn't gone through. There are various legal
implications for downloading any copyrighted work unless it was acquired
through a fair use means, or its copyright is something similar to copyleft
as mentioned earlier. As far as Fox literally charging everyone for
downloading the movie, that's quite absurd but I'm sure the MPAA is keeping
a close eye on the distribution of this (and any other leaked movie) over
peer to peer networking as part of their plan for more strict legislation
and better access to go after copyright violators. At the same time many
ISPs both big and small continue to refuse to turn over usage records when
subpoened (the RIAA had a problem with this as well). I understand you're
wanting to protect the intellectual property of this movie and it is illegal
to download it, but scare tactics aren't exactly on the level. On a side
note your whole rant about locking down Windows isn't totally true either,
Microsoft's plan for Windows was something called Palladium which
incorporated locking instruction sets used for various types of acceleration
(for example MPEG acceleration used by CPUs and video cards) from the BIOS
level if digital rights were not granted effectively demobilizing media
players. There will always be workarounds to this sort of thing and even the
slashdot crowd is well aware Microsoft has made no immediate plans to stop
peer to peer networking via windows (it would be a mess involving constantly
closing open ports). Whether ISPs do something about standard configurations
is another issue but for the time being nothing including legal action is
going to stop the legions of kiddies and college students from downloading
movies and music off the internet.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
pgaule (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:00:09) UPDATED Sat Jul 30 2005 16:04:13
Please don't speak of technological matters that you are clueless of. First
of all, no one has ever been sued for merely downloading pirated material.
The fact that you don't realize this only proves your ignorance.
The only people who have been sued by the entertainment industry for similar
actions were sued because they were also *uploading* the material, usually
unknowingly via BitTorrent. Unless the media industry is hosting the files
themselves, they have no way to track people who have only downloaded the
material. It's a simple concept, but one that escapes people who are
clueless about filesharing such as yourself.
Second of all, if someone has already been "caught" with distributing the
material, then deleting the offending file will do absolutely no good. Once
again, anybody who has a basic understanding of PCs and peer-to-peer would
understand this. You are completely ignorant in both these areas, and it
would be wise of you to shut up before you make yourself look like an even
bigger dolt.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:11:00)
Firstly people have been sued for only downloading or "leeching" copyrighted
material, infact thousands in america have.
Secondly every unencrypted peice of data that passes through a broadband
line is recorded and stored and it can be tracked, the FCC tracks over
30,000 files at any given time using a prototype copy.
I must be pretty clueless to have gotten my major in computer science which
is beyond PC technology. What exactly qualifies you to inform people about
anything regarding computer technology? please don't say a A+ or Network+
certification, I still havent stopped laughing at santas yet.
"Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
G.W.B.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:25:02)
And just for the record my initial post, being the topic was originaly
intended to be my conspiracy theory but my supervisor walked up and looked
at my screen.
"Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
G.W.B.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
santas77 (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:27:17)
whats to laugh about... you keep saying that the government could do all
these things and take everybody out, yet i dont see it goin down...like i
said, good luck to them trying to shut this down. when it happens, then u
can laugh, for now just tell me whats funny, also computer science isnt
gonna help you with legalities...im sure you can code and make algorithms
just fine...also ive know people who have gotten letters from the mpaa for
having 'unwanted' files being shared here at my school, they didnt get sued,
they got a letter, a big scary letter, and that was only because they were
on public hubs on direct connect which is their own fault, u act like every
private citizen is gonna get a knock from the secret police and placed in
front of the firing squad for having mp3's. And have you ever heard of an ip
blocker mr computer science? or a faking your mac address. also computer
science is not beyond technology, my roomate is a computer science major and
he doesnt know that much about the technology, its logic, psued-code, and
algorithms...you dont need to know anything about technology really, only a
basic understanding. and files are private, only files that are being shared
can be used by ur so called "exprets". and do a little research, the mpaa
and the like arent going to enforce the hell outta this and start bringing
everyone in becuase the truth is, if you did any research, that they've made
more money since the rise in piracy. but ur not one for facts are you? keep
laughing tho. im enjoying this.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:29:50)
"for now just tell me whats funny"
You're ignorance, you have no idea what you are talking about, you actualy
think you can "block" your IP address and be anonymous - even and exspecialy
to the service provider? - LMAO!
"Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
G.W.B.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
slackery840 (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:28:01) UPDATED Sat Jul 30 2005 16:28:35
you're obviously not familiar with how the BitTorrent system works... good
luck FOX...
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
santas77 (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:33:12)
finally someone with some sense
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:42:13)
^ finaly you managed to post something that didn't mutate the english
language.
"Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
G.W.B.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
santas77 (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:45:28)
now your're just getting angry, you're not even on topic anymore. im done
with you. good luck with the computer science gig. I really wish you the
best. At least you stuck by your point. and if we want to get into
technicalities, check your first post. The one that says 'than' instead of
'then'. I guess we all mutate it every now and again. No biggie though right
pal?
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 17:41:02)
Yeah, some of us mutate it every few paragraphs, others every few words.
Heck its not even english anymore really the more appropriate term for
modern english is "american". I.E. "I speak Spanish, American,
German...ect,ect'
"Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
G.W.B.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
sidvarma (Sat Jul 30 2005 18:53:31)
just nitpicking. the quote you use as your sig is completely inaccurate.
George W. actually said,
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you
can't get fooled again."
Again, nitpicking. Don't worry about it too much, though. Everything else
you've said seems to be pretty inaccurate as well.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
madness239 (Sat Jul 30 2005 21:06:20)
I would not believe a word you typed. If you have a major in computer
science then you are obviously educated way beyond your intelligence.
You said:
"every unencrypted peice of data that passes through a broadband line is
recorded and stored"
Son, go back to your cubicle and answer that tier 1 aol support phone call.
Let the grown ups talk.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
darth_nax (Sat Jul 30 2005 23:49:54)
> Firstly people have been sued for only downloading or "leeching"
> copyrighted material, infact thousands in america have.
Ok, I gotta call this one.
SOURCE PLEASE!!!
No one has gotten sued for D/L. The laws for file sharing are the same as
those for prohibition. It's illegal to make, deliver, share, sell, give,
distribute or in any way cause any of the above but was NEVER illegal to
drink, just as it's not illegal to d/l.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
kjcdude (Sat Jul 30 2005 19:09:42)
Sure ;)
The day that happens...
There is no way there gona charge the allready over 24,000 from min*nova
alone in a single lawsuit.
If there smart, which they arent, they would sue the company who hosts the
torrents.
Theres been only about 4 BIG sites in the past years that have been suid and
succesfully shut down to there hosting.
And you expect Fox, by itself, to sue these bagillion people for downloading
Family Guy the Movie, sure...
The same government there trying to use to stop those from downloading the
movie is the same government that is preventing them from accomplishing
that.
TheOCSucks.com The OC Sucks .com
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
RedsFan1023 (Sat Jul 30 2005 20:35:53)
Oh FOX what a joke of a company.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Nephilim-6 (Sat Jul 30 2005 20:39:42) UPDATED Sat Jul 30 2005 20:47:39
in holland downloading copyrighted material is legal. uploading it is
illegal. so unless I was allready traced.. tough luck. (I didn't upload the
entire thing anyway.)
furthermore. I treat downloading as a means of determining if something is
good or not. if it is I WILL buy the thing I downloaded.(this is also
practically a nescessity in an age where 'artists' produce so much crap.
E.G. CDs with only 1 good song on it and the rest crap while they are sold
at a price that is too expensive. same with movies.) Thus I will buy the DVD
when it comes out. Assuming I can afford it by then. I liked this movie.
It's not brilliant but it's good. And I will buy it.
Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look realy
un-evolved? - Bill Hicks
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
djrelik69 (Sat Jul 30 2005 21:56:11)
Blah Blah Blah...
Bittorrent now acounts for more than a third of all internet traffic.
Microsoft are working on their own BT client.
Now what does that tell you?
It tells me fox have pipe dreams.
Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Nephilim-6 (Sun Jul 31 2005 05:46:39)
I must say I find the whole thing funny considering the piracy joke in the
movie where Quagmire secretly has to make a pirate copy. Very Ironic
Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look realy
un-evolved? - Bill Hicks
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